Commentary on Plato's Republic, Book I

Socrates, Cephalus, Old age and Justice
Book I of the Republic is in many ways the most interesting and important of all the books in Plato's classic. For me, it serves the role of foreshadowing much that is to come in the same way that things are foreshadowed say, in the beginning of the movie, The Wizard of Oz.  Once the main argument of the Republic is finished (end of Book IX), one can return to Book I and appreciate just how much it anticipated and hinted at what was to follow.  So much so that I find it absolutely absurd that some scholars could claim that Book I was written separately from the rest of the book and tacked onto it hastily in order to make it look like a standard Socratic dialogue. However, Book I is also the most tedious and time-consuming to read, for the arguments are aplenty and Socrates is at his hairsplitting best, or worst, depending on one's view of Socrates. I tell my students not to be discouraged by Book One's tedious and difficult arguments, for the remainder of the Republic reads very differently. Still, Book I is extremely important and can, I think, be used all by itself to raise important and interesting questions about justice.

Be all this as it may, the main characters of Book I are Socrates, Cephalus, Polemarchus, and Thrasymachus. The last three characters offer, more or less, answers to the Socratic question, “What is justice?”, and each receives a grilling by the master critic Socrates in the course of Book I. But before examining the arguments, a bit of background is needed. The setting of the Republic is the home of Cephalus and Polemarchus. Cephalus is a well-off, even perhaps wealthy, merchant and businessman and Polemarchus is his son.

Cephalus and Polemarchus live in the Piraeus, which is where nonresident aliens (roughly, people who are not Athenian citizens) reside, a point that is significant and related to the respective answers they give to the question of "What is Justice?". Cephalus says that as far as his business activities go, he lies somewhere between his grandfather and his father, the former amassing a great deal of wealth and the latter squandering much of it. Cephalus is also said to be in the twilight of his life. He admits that old age is not the greatest time of life but also says that he has not found it nearly the burden many do. Cephalus says that many of his old chums complain that they are no longer able to enjoy the pleasures of sex, drink and feasts as they once did, and thus life is not quite what it used to be. (Remember, this takes place long before the discovery of Viagra!). But Cephalus thinks that old age is not such a bad time of life and suggests that his buddies are guilty of assuming that life is all about food, drink and sex. Cephalus quotes Sophocles the playwright and poet as follows:

Cephalus: . . . I was present . . . one time when someone asked the poet Sophocles: "How are you in regard to sex, Sophocles? Can you still make love to a woman?" Hush man, the poet replied, I am very glad to have escaped from this, like a slave who has escaped from a mad and cruel master." I thought then that he was right, and I still think so, for a great peace and freedom from these things come with old age . . . . (329 c).

Cephalus then goes on to say that if one's entire life is "moderate and contented" then old age will be only moderately burdensome.

Cephalus is pretty clearly intended by Plato to represent an honest and moderate merchant, someone who prizes wealth and who pretty much behaves himself for that very reason, for many desires can be very expensive to satisfy. By keeping one's desires in check, one can work hard and hang onto one's earnings. If one remembers the old tale about the industrious ant and the shiftless and lazy grasshopper, Cephalus can be said to be ant and his chums the grasshoppers. Although certainly not the worst of characters, we'll see in the remainder of the Republic that Plato thinks Cephalus and those he represents are not as virtuous as they appear to be.

Socrates suggests that perhaps Cephalus has an easy time with old age because of his wealth. To this Cephalus says that there is perhaps something to this but wealth is not nearly as important in old age as some suppose. Socrates then asks what is the greatest benefit Cephalus has received from the enjoyment of wealth. Cephalus says, roughly, peace of mind, i.e., wealth keeps one from having to lie and deceive others and also to leave this life owing nothing to anyone, whether god or human. At this point, Socrates asks Cephalus whether justice (dikaiosyne--pronounced: de-cow-eye sue-knee) is simply telling the truth and paying back debts.

Before going on, a word or two about the Greek term, dikaiosyne, translated as justice or right. It is obviously the key notion of the Republic. I tell my students that it means, "right behavior", in the broadest possible sense, especially right behavior toward others. (Although we will see in the remainder of the book that Plato regards justice to be a matter of taking care of one's own, of minding one's own business, whatever it may be). The root of the term, dike, means way or manner of, and was often used to designate the proper way of behaving for particular groups, including soldiers, kings, slaves, farmers, etc. That is, a king would have his dike, or standard manner of behavior, a soldier would have a dike, or manner of behavior, and so on. Finally, we can also take Socrates' question, what is dikaiosune, as asking how one ought to live life, what is the right way to live? And isn't' that the most important question of all?

Back to Socrates and Cephalus. Oddly, Cephalus never really answers Socrates' question. Instead, Socrates insists straightaway that there is a problem with taking justice to be telling the truth and paying back debts, viz., that on certain occasions, both can end up being the wrong thing to do. To take a simple case, returning a gun or other weapon to someone intent on using it to murder another would not be the right thing to do. Ditto for telling such a person the truth about where to find his/her intended victim. Cephalus agrees with Socrates that truth telling and paying back debts does not make for a proper definition of justice.

Although it is early in the game and there is much more to come, I still find this opening move by Socrates to be very important indeed, for several reasons. Although a few may challenge Socrates' contention that telling the truth to a madman intent on murder, or returning his weapon to him, are not right, most of us willingly allow that telling the truth and paying back debts is not always the right thing to do. I regard the moral of this little Socratic maneuver then to be that knowing the right thing to do in any particular case is not, and probably cannot be, a matter of blindly following rules. Doing the right thing will always be a result of a proper assessment of the particularities of the case at hand.  Rules or principles are handy guides but typically their application will involve judgment calls on our part.  A blind adherence to rules or principles can result, obviously, in very bad behavior, regardless of one's "good intentions". (For a famous discussion illustrating that rules or principles are not a foolproof means for doing the right thing, see Jonathan Bennett's wonderful essay, "The Conscience of Huckleberry Finn").  The upshot is that we cannot simply close our eyes and "calculate" our way to the right thing by mechanical application of our prized principles.

Relatedly, life is obviously messy and one will very likely make incorrect assessments and judgments about people and situations and events. As such, one may think one is doing the right thing but in retrospect one can come to appreciate that what one did was not in fact the right thing in the particular case. Such "mistakes" can be a result of using the wrong principles or a mistaken assessment of the details of the case at hand. Just as I can end up with the wrong amount of carpet or tile for a room by either making a mistake in multiplying the length and width of the room (corresponding to using a wrong principle, e.g., kill all nonbelievers) or by mismeasuring the room's dimensions (this corresponds to having a mistaken assessment of the details of a particular situation, e.g., making a mistake about whether a person is a nonbeliever).

The Cephalus/Socrates exchange also reveals Socrates' fussiness about answers to his "What is X?" questions. In many Platonic dialogues, including Book I of the Republic, Socrates makes use of his infamous elenchus, (a Greek term that can be translated as "refutation"). The elenchus begins with Socrates asking a what is X question of someone (where X stands for an important but also quite abstract notion, including courage, friendship, piety, knowledge, beauty, love, etc.), the more prominent and respected the better, getting an answer and then using the person's own beliefs to show that the original answer was refuted and thus inadequate. Typically, however, a single counterexample to the definition is seen as sufficient to refute the definition.

Strictly speaking, of course, one counterexample is sufficient to scotch a definition but it doesn't show that the original definiens is to be rejected entirely, something that typically happens in Socratic dialogues. In this particular case, there is something seriously wrong about rejecting truth-telling and paying back debts as components or elements of justice simply because there are or can be circumstances in which truth-telling or paying back debts turns out to be wrong rather than right. All of us would certainly allow that in most cases, it is right to tell the truth and return borrowed items.

Furthermore, since Socrates, in the elenchus, appeals only to his interlocutor's own beliefs, it was clear, at least to him, that the interlocutor didn't really know what X was, for s/he, by Socrates lights at least, couldn't provide a proper definition of X. Once again however, it seems as though Socrates is being overly fussy, is picking at nits. Even if one grants that a Socratic elenchus was successful (and this is granting quite a bit, as I'll show below), it doesn't follow that one really doesn't know what X is, unless one simply assumes that knowing what X is requires the ability to survive a (legitimate) Socratic elenchus. But why should one assume this? More technically, why assume that knowing what X is requires one to be able to articulate the essence of X, i.e., what all and only X things have in common (where it won't do to say they all have X).

In ordinary parlance, most of us would allow that someone who could properly separate X things from the nonX things could be granted knowledge of X, regardless of whether s/he could articulate the principles or criteria used to effect the separation. But this is obviously not enough for Socrates. For in almost every case, he and his interlocutors have no difficulty at all in determining which things, actions or persons do or do not count as X, or as possessing X. The problem in every case is that of arriving at a proper articulation of the principles or criteria used to separate Xs from nonXs. As a philosopher, I do not, of course, wish to call for giving up the search for such criteria or to regard the search to be as misguided as it is impossible to complete (in short, I'm no Rorty!). However, I also do not want to indict people as favoring the trivial over the sublime, or as "without virtue", for resting content with a workaday knowledge of how to distinguish Xs from nonXs.

Such was Socrates' goal of course, viz., showing the interlocutor that s/he was not nearly as wise (and so not nearly as "virtuous") as s/he supposed. Truth be told however, Socrates is antecedently committed to the idea that NO human at all has the sort of knowledge of X that would enable him/her to give a proper definition of X. As such, it ought to be kept in mind that Socrates, in the elenchus, is out to defend his belief that no human knows what X is (in his fussy sense of "know"). Because of this, he is not, shocker of shockers, inclined to treat his interlocutor's claims in the most sympathetic manner possible. On the contrary, it's safe to say that Socrates will pretty much do anything he can to secure a refutation of another's definition of X, including offering ideas that he himself regards as false, and purposely twisting one's words and claims so as to distort one's initial ideas.

No doubt this explains why so many of Socrates' fellow citizens were less than impressed with Socrates' "refutations" of prominent citizens, viz., they found him guilty of distorting the words and ideas of his interlocutors. Although Socrates contends, in the Apology, that he was satisfied in every case that he had shown, via the elenchus, that his interlocutors "did not know what they thought they knew", I suggest that this satisfaction was not universally shared by his fellow Athenians. On the contrary, it's safe to say that most came away thinking that Socrates was little more than a not-so-slick word mangler and distorter, intent on making his opponent look silly. Whether Socrates was so, or whether he was, as he claimed, a great benefactor of Athens, I do not know. But judging from only the Apology and Book I of the Republic, I would have to say that Socrates has a rather inflated regard for his talents and his views of life. (More on this as I go).

The upshot of my digression on Socrates and Socratic method is that one should not uncritically accept the view of many a professor of philosophy that Socrates was a noble and great philosopher intent on getting at the truth of things. Unfortunately, I think this rather flattering picture of Socrates is one that has and continues to hold sway among the majority of professors who still have something to do with ancient Greek philosophy. The truth, I think, is somewhat different.

A nice corrective (although one that is perhaps not entirely fair) to the rosy picture of Socrates presented by too many of my colleagues, is to see Socrates as more like a present-day street preacher urging us all to change our materialistic ways in favor of a life devoted to God.  Most importantly, perhaps, one should not, as I am afraid many of my fellow philosophy professors do, assume that Socrates' refutations and arguments constitute something like the gold standard for philosophical reasoning.  I will never forget the day, some years back, that I suggested to another philosopher that many of the arguments Socrates puts forth in Book I of the Republic were anything but convincing.  His response made it clear that he found the suggestion both outrageous and patently false ( a response, frankly, that I found a bit shocking, for I had assumed that the weakness of some of the arguments in Book I was a well-known fact, and it is to some; silly me) and he immediately challenged me to back up my claim.  I did so but whether I succeeded in wiping some of the luster off of my colleague's image of Socrates, I cannot say.  I was content to get him to appreciate that Socrates' arguments had some holes in them and could not stand as presented in the text. I turn now to revealing some of these holes.

Socrates and Polemarchus

Let's return to Book I of Republic.  After Cephalus and Socrates agree that truth-telling and paying back debts is not a proper definition of justice, Polemarchus jumps in for his father and says that it is a proper definition, if, that is, the poet Simonides is to be believed.  At this point Cephalus leaves the scene, letting Polemarchus incur Socratic examination. (It's odd that Cephalus simply leaves, for he had earlier told Socrates that at his age he enjoys conversation more and more; perhaps the point is being made here that although Cephalus appreciates the art of conversation he in fact does not enjoy it nearly as much as he thinks he ought). Polemarchus says that according to Simonides, it is just to give to each what is owed (or due) to him. Under Socratic questioning, this is altered to the claim that it is just to do good to friends and not harm and to give something harmful to one's enemies. At this point, Socrates, as he often did, appeals to the notion of a craft (techne), which covers any skill or activity requiring a specialized knowledge, including farming, being a doctor, ship's pilot, cobbling, cooking, etc. Socrates assumes that justice is a craft of some sort, as the following exchange makes clear:

Socrates: What, and to whom, does that craft give which we would call justice?

Polemarchus: It must follow from what was said before, Socrates, that is is that which benefits friends and harms one's enemies.

I suspect that many suppose, incorrectly I believe, that Socrates is committed to the view that justice is a craft. But there is no warrant for such a belief. As noted above, the fact that Socrates asks Polemarchus what the craft of justice does and to whom, does not mean that he is committed to regarding justice as a craft. It simply means that he has assumed this in the course of the discussion. So long as Polemarchus does not balk at the assumption, Socrates can feel free to use the assumption in his elenchus. Be this as it may, I believe that it is wrong to identify justice as a craft. So if Socrates does believe this, he is simply mistaken. Indeed, it is pretty clear from Socrates' discussion with Polemarchus that justice ought not be regarded as a craft. (More on this below).

Socrates' First Argument against Polemarchus
Socrates goes on to raise the question of what activity and task a just person is most able to benefit friends and harm enemies. Socrates reasons that in matters of health and disease a physician, not a just person, is most capable of benefiting friends and harming enemies. Similarly, a ship's captain is most able to do so when sailing is to be done. Thus, Socrates assumes that a just person must have a special ability and area of expertise. But already things seem odd. Just people need not have any special expertise, or at least whatever expertise they may possess is irrelevant, in most cases, to their being just or no. And just people certainly don't have a particular field of operation a la the doctor or ship's captain. So much is obvious from the fact that we may always ask about the justice of anyone, whatever his/her field of expertise.

We can ask whether our doctor is just or not, and whether our ship's captain is just or not, etc. Such questions do not ask whether our doctor is really two experts in one, that is, it is not like asking whether our doctor is also an auto mechanic. It simply asks whether our doctor is someone who does the right thing. (The question is ambiguous between asking about the doctor's justness qua doctor or asking about the doctor's justness qua human being but this fact doesn't challenge the point I am making). It is clear then that Socrates' assumption that justice is a craft is a poor one.

Be this as it may, Polemarchus does give an answer to Socrates' question, claiming that a just man is most capable of benefiting friends and harming enemies "in waging war and alliances". Of course, the obvious response to this claim would be to say that it's wrong, for a general or other military expert would be much more capable than a just person in benefiting friends and harming enemies in the case of wars and alliances. But Socrates has bigger fish to fry and so does not give the obvious response to Polemarchus' lame and ultimately futile effort to make justice out to be some sort of craft. Instead, Socrates notes that most experts are at various times of no use to others and asks how those who are not at war are to be helped by the just person. Polemarchus says that justice helps one "use or acquire" contracts, broadly construed. Socrates once again presses the matter of what special abilities or areas of expertise does the just person have to make him/her helpful in "contracts".

Socrates notes that in many associations with others, it is a particular sort of expert that is helpful; a checkers player in a game of checkers, a builder when bricks and stone are to be put together, a musician in matters of music, etc. Polemarchus says that "in money matters", a just person is helpful. Socrates presses the attack again and says this doesn't seem to be so when money is to be used. Should I wish to buy or sell a horse, a horse trader would be a more useful associate than a just person, for buying a boat, a shipbuilder, claims Socrates. Polemarchus says just people are best at keeping money, or other items safe, i.e., they are good at guarding them. At this point, Socrates concludes that justice seems not to be very important since with all things justice is "useless in their use, but useful when they are not in use." That is, Socrates claims that justice isn't important because it consists of merely guarding things, be it money or some other valuable item.

Had sanity reigned at this point, two things should have happened. First, Polemarchus should have challenged Socrates' claim that justice as guarding seems not to be important. I am not sure what sort of considerations go into weighing the importance of various activities but guarding things seems at least as important as nearly any other activity. Two, and most importantly, both men should have appreciated that something had gone terribly wrong once the discussion concluded that justice is a matter of guarding valuables and the just person is a guarder of such valuables. Relatedly, of course, and as suggested above, the key problem with Socrates' argument is that it fails to appreciate that justice is something that can be present or absent in the case of any particular "craftsperson".

A doctor can be just or unjust, as can a ship's captain, a horse trader, a builder, and a checkers player. But a just doctor is not someone who is skilled at two crafts, like a doctor who is an expert checkers player. A just doctor is a doctor who is just and so who treats others differently from an unjust doctor. Saying exactly how or why a just doctor treats others differently from an unjust doctor is the trick, of course. However, it is important to see what Socrates and Polemarchus do not see here, viz., that any particular craftsperson can be a just or unjust craftsperson and it is the just one, rather than the unjust one, that is likely to make the better associate in "contracts". (Obviously, there can be and are exceptions. Citing them and examining them would, I think, help one get a better idea about justice and the just person. But some of the cases I have in mind here are covered in the second argument below).

The Second Argument
Socrates' next complaint against Polemarchus' account of justice again depends on the bogus assumption that justice is a craft.  In this complaint, Socrates leans on the fact that craftspersons, or the best ones anyway, have a "capacity for opposites".  The idea is best illustrated by the case of a doctor.  A skilled doctor is very good at healing people, at keeping them alive but could also be very good at killing them, if so inclined.  As I joke in my classes, if I was going to kill my wife (and I am not going to, I assure you!) I would very likely have to lean on a very crude method, making it obvious to all that she had been murdered (a la O.J. Simpson).  But a doctor might very well be able to kill his/her spouse in such a way that no one knew the spouse had been murdered. Such is the doctor's capacity for opposites. Socrates reasons that if a just person is good at guarding things, s/he would also be very good at stealing them as well, so the just person turns out to be a kind of thief. At this point Polemarchus admits that he didn't mean to make justice out to be craft of thieving but still believes nonetheless that justice is to benefit one's friends and harm one's enemies.

I have never understood why anyone should be shocked at the idea that just people turn out to be capable of theft, or better, theft from one's enemies. Without getting bogged down in too many subtleties, we have no trouble imagining scenarios where it would be just or right to steal something from someone, particularly one's enemies.  Unless one has naive ideas about just people such that only choir boys, boy scouts and Ghandi and his followers count as "really" just, it shouldn't be a shocker at all that just people may from time to time have to act in ways not associated with choir boys and the like.  Furthermore, the fact that a just person would turn out to be capable of, and perhaps do, things that we would not typically regard as "just", should come as no surprise at all given Polemarchus' definition of justice as helping friends and harming enemies.

This should have been obvious from the start and hardly needed to be teased out by appeal to the notion of a craft. Socrates could have simply asked straight-away whether Polemarchus thought it just to lie to, steal from or otherwise harm one's enemies. One suspects that Polemarchus would have said "Yes" and then a real debate could have ensued. Finally, and this point seems to have been missed by most commentators, Socrates himself is already committed to saying that circumstances can make all the difference concerning whether a particular kind of action is just or not. In arguing with Cephalus, Socrates already claimed that truth telling is not always just, nor paying off one's debts. This commits him to claiming that in the proper circumstances, lying may very well be just or right. Ditto for stealing.

Nor is there much trouble in imagining scenarios where murder, or killing "innocent people" may be right or just. (Some there are who would regard murdering Hitler as just. There is also the infamous case of the fat man, pardon me, the overweight person, in the mouth of the cave, who must be killed in order to save many others). Socrates is being hypocritical then in criticizing Polemarchus' definition on the grounds that it leads to the conclusion that just people may have to be thieves from time to time.

The Third Argument
Socrates' third argument appeals to the possibility of making mistakes about one's friends and enemies. I might believe that Jones is my enemy and Smith my friend and the reality may be exactly opposite. If so, by helping Jones and harming Smith, I will end up having harmed a friend (someone who is good) and helped an enemy (someone who is bad), "a conclusion which is the opposite of what we said was the meaning of Simonides". (Socrates, 334e). Now the obvious response to this alleged "difficulty" is to remind ourselves that the discussion concerns people who are mistaken about who their friends and enemies are. Because of their mistake, they would end up harming friends (the good) and helping enemies (the bad).

But this doesn't reveal a problem with one's understanding of the meaning of Simonides' definition, nor with the definition so understood.  It simply shows that if one makes a mistake in applying the definition to life, there is no guarantee that one will in fact be doing just things.  But so what?  Does Socrates expect Simonides and Polemarchus to give us an account of justice which can be unerringly followed, or which can never be followed incorrectly?  That would seem to be a bit much to ask of any account.  If I tell you that you can catch the bus to Nashville at 8:20 in the morning and you arrive at the station believing it's 8:20 but because of a faulty watch it's really 10:20, I am not to be blamed for you missing the bus.

Though he has been given no good reason to, Polemarchus allows that he was mistaken to say that a friend was "one who was thought to be helpful" and now wishes to say that "a friend is one who is both thought to be helpful and also is [helpful]; one who is thought to be, but is not, helpful is thought to be a friend but is not. And so also with the enemy." (Polemarchus, 335). Basically then, Polemarchus guarantees that one only helps those who in fact help oneself and harms only those who harm oneself. (How one behaves, or is supposed to behave, toward those one thinks are helpful but are not, we are never told. Ditto for how one behaves toward those one thinks are harmful but are not. A bit of reflection suggests that this failure could result in our not knowing how to behave toward a great number of people).

The Fourth Argument
At this point, Socrates pulls out his trump card and offers us his most plausible complaint against the notion of justice advocated by Simonides and Polemarchus, even though it was a card that Socrates could have played right from the start. Socrates asks Polemarchus: "[I]s it ever the part of a just person to harm anyone at all?" (Socrates, 335b). This is a good question and Socrates offers us an argument designed to show that it is never just to harm anyone. Unfortunately, the argument is really quite bad, for several reasons. First, as many commentators have noted, Socrates clearly distorts the notion of 'harm' such that by his lights, to harm someone amounts to corrupting that someone, making him/her unjust. Although this makes it practically analytic that no just person can harm another, it is also obviously a distortion of Polemarchus' meaning and any standard meaning of 'harm' and so does nothing to undermine the view that justice may involve lying to enemies, stealing from them, killing them, etc.

For each of these activities can be agreed to harm the enemy but cannot be said to render one's enemy corrupt or unjust. Worse yet, it is obvious that Socrates himself is here leaning on ideas that he does not accept. It is pretty well agreed that by Socrates' lights, no one else can make one corrupt or unjust but oneself. It is only one's deliberate actions which do so. (Not terribly surprising that Socrates believes this given that he believes that akrasia or weakness of will is impossible). As such, I do not see how Socrates could claim here that my enemies are able to corrupt me or make me unjust by things they do to me, including lying to me, stealing from me, maiming me, or killing my loved ones, etc. Such a claim is clearly at odds with Socratic doctrine, as well as good old fashioned common sense.

It is odd that Socrates made use of the bogus identification of harming someone with corrupting that someone or making him/her unjust.  Surely it was open to Socrates to claim that justice is incompatible with harming others, even if one understands 'harming others' in the usual way, i.e., understands it such that it cannot be identified with corrupting others or making others unjust.  Pacifists there are who would argue that harming others is always unjust and they would not feel obliged to lean on a bogus understanding of 'harming others' to do so.  The key idea of such arguments is that those who harm others harm themselves, whether they know it or not.  A much more plausible and consistent line for Socrates to take here then, but one which he does not take, is to claim that by harming one's enemies, one will be rendering oneself unjust, making oneself less excellent (arete) or virtuous.

Furthermore, there is textual evidence to suggest that Socrates was sympathetic to such ideas.  For example, in the Crito, Socrates seems to advocate a pacifism that would condemn as wrong any sort of harm to others, including especially harm to others done in circumstances in which many of us would be inclined to do it ourselves, i.e., harm done in the name of retaliation for harm done to me or my family or friends. Indeed, Socrates notes the radicalness of his idea by noting:


"So one ought not to return a wrong or an injury to any person, whatever the provocation is. . . . I know that there are and always will be few people who think like this, and consequently between those who do think so and those who do not there can be no agreement on principle; they must always feel contempt when they observe one another's decisions." (Crito, 49d).

But the Gorgias contains what is perhaps Socrates' most explicit account of the idea that wrongdoers and those who harm others are really doing harm to themselves. It's a mystery then why Socrates does not here simply claim that harming of others is always wrong (unjust), even in the usual case where the harm cannot be said to corrupt others or to render them unjust, and it is so because it corrupts the harmer, makes him/her unjust.  Although I am not sympathetic to the idea that just persons never harm anyone, given the usual notion of 'harm' (e.g., putting a guilty person in prison for life without parole harms that person but it is not, ceteris paribus, unjust), Socrates would have done better here to argue from the effects that harming others has on harmers rather than "arguing" that harming others renders those who are harmed more unjust.  For the latter argument not only rests on a distortion of Polemarchus' meaning of 'harm' (as well as the standard meaning of 'harm'), it also leans on an idea at odds with a fundamental Socratic doctrine, viz., that no one but me can corrupt me or make me unjust.  It also keeps Socrates from addressing the real question, viz., whether harming others, in the usual sense, is compatible with justice.

At the end of his discussion with Polemarchus, Socrates makes a point of claiming that Simonides (or Bias or Pittacus, two of the reputed seven wise men of Greece) ought not be understood as claiming that justice is helping friends and harming enemies.  Rather, it is more likely, says Socrates, to be the view of wealthy tyrants who believe that might makes right.



A Digression on Other Commentaries on Socrates' last argument against Polemarchus

Julia Annas, in An Introduction to Plato's Republic

In her well-known An Introduction to Plato's Republic, Julia Annas says that Socrates' last argument with Polemarchus "is the most dubious, though in some ways the most interesting." (Annas, p. 31). Annas also calls it "an irritating argument". I am, of course, sympathetic to both of these claims. However, Annas sees herself as rejecting the standard view that sees Socrates' argument trading on an ambiguity about the word translated as 'harm' (blaptein). By her lights, the standard view has it that blaptein is ambiguous between 'hurt' and 'harm' and Socrates draws a conclusion about harming when Polemarchus was talking about hurting. I don't recognize this as the standard view. The standard view has nothing to do with an ambiguity between 'hurt' and 'harm', which ambiguity I'm not sure I see myself. Rather, the standard view is that there is nothing in the notion of hurting or harming to warrant the claim that to hurt or harm someone is to corrupt him/her, detract from his/her arete or virtue, to render him/her unjust or more unjust.

According to Annas, "the fault in the argument, as often in Book I, is not an easily locatable ambiguity. There is nothing wrong with the argument. The problems lie rather in interpreting the premises." (Annas, p. 32). With this I am sympathetic but it is echoed by standard accounts of the argument as well. Annas goes on to say that Polemarchus "agrees without argument that justice is the human excellence or arete, that is, that justice is to people what being a good specimen of its type is to a horse or a dog." (Annas, pp. 32-3). I do not see that Polemarchus in fact agrees to this. At best, Polemarchus agrees that justice is a human excellence but not one that is definitive of human nature. Annas goes on to say that the view that justice is the human excellence "is rather a breathtaking assumption". (Annas, p. 33).

I agree but neither Socrates nor Polemarchus seem to me to make it. More importantly, although Annas complains that this assumption is implausible and that Socrates is not entitled to appeal to it here (Annas claims that Socrates argues for the assumption later in the Republic, a contention that I find somewhat dubious), she fails to connect any real difficulties with the assumption or its use in Socrates' argument. But if Polemarchus did accept the assumption as Annas claims (which I don't think he does, for the assumption seems too strong to be identified with any parts of Socrates' argument), it would be irrelevant whether Socrates had provided any support for it. He is, after all, trying to argue against Polemarchus, not the world.

Finally, there is much in the remainder of Annas' discussion that is puzzling. On pp. 33-4 Annas says: ". . . Socrates has shown that even on Polemarchus' conception of justice, it cannot be right [just] to harm the bad [one's enemies who are in fact bad].  However, the argument was presented as though Socrates was not merely pointing up another inadequacy in Polemarchus' conception but was making a point that he holds himself.  And so there is some awkwardness, for Socrates accepts the conclusion of the argument, but he does not accept Polemarchus' conception of justice which is used to reach it." This is puzzling, given Annas' opening statement that Socrates' last argument is "irritating" and "the most dubious".  For Annas here seems to say that Socrates has successfully established "even on Polemarchus' conception of justice", that it cannot be right or just to harm the bad.  But if Socrates can be said to have established this claim then whither the dubiousness of Socrates' last argument?  For if one holds that Socrates' claim is legitimate, the conclusion that harming enemies cannot be part of justice cannot be avoided.

For starters, I don't understand Annas' "even on . . ." clause, since that is the conception that Socrates is challenging throughout the argument.  Would Annas have Socrates establish something here that concerns a different conception of justice from that of Polemarchus' conception? I admit I am confused. And as noted above, if Annas thinks Socrates has established that it cannot be right or just to harm the bad (albeit assuming Polemarchus' conception of justice) then why does she call the argument "the most dubious" of those Socrates uses against Polemarchus?  Once again, I am confused.  Finally, I want to dissolve Annas' difficulty about Socrates arriving at a conclusion he accepts while using a conception of justice he doesn't accept.  

To begin with, Annas never makes clear what "conclusion" she has in mind here. I'll assume the conclusion is, "It cannot be just to harm the bad (or anyone, for that matter), for that is the only conclusion she mentions in this section.  But this is surely an odd way of putting things. I do not see Socrates "concluding" that it cannot be just to harm the bad.  Rather, he concludes that it cannot be just or justice to make another unjust and he arrives at this conclusion by claiming that to harm someone is to make him/her unjust. So the argument is as follows:  Polemarchus claims that justice involves, in part at least, harming the bad.  Socrates claims that harming someone makes him/her unjust or more unjust. Thus, on Polemarchus' conception of justice, it's just to make people unjust. This is obviously absurd, forcing Polemarchus to reject the second premise or reject his conception of justice.

Contra Annas, I do not see that Socrates uses the conclusion that it cannot be just to harm the bad.  If there is room for puzzlement here, we might wonder how it is possible for Socrates to claim that harming someone makes him/her unjust, if Socrates is working with Polemarchus' conception of justice.  That is, how can someone who is working under the assumption that justice is helping friends and harming enemies possibly claim that harming someone makes him/her unjust? 

Relatedly, and perhaps this is part of Annas' worry, how can the claim that harming someone makes him/her unjust be true on Socrates' own, presumably non-Polemarchian, notion of justice?  Taking the second point first, I see no difficulty at all that a claim that reduces one conception of justice to absurdity could simultaneously be one that holds true of another conception.  As for the first point, the easy answer is, of course, that it one can do no such thing.  That is, it isn't possible for the "justice is helping friends and harming enemies" crowd to claim that harming someone is to make him/her unjust.  But this is just to say that the latter, if accepted, reduces Polemarchus' notion of justice to absurdity.  If Polemarchus sees no way to reject the idea that harming someone makes him/her unjust, he's got a dilemma that can only be resolved by giving up his notion of justice.  However, as noted above, most of us find it absurd to suppose that harming someone (e.g., torturing him/her) makes him/her less excellent, less just.
 

Terence Irwin in Plato's Ethics

Irwin rightly notes, among other things, that Socrates' assumption that to harm other people is to make them more unjust, is controversial.  Irwin also claims, controversially so by my lights, that Socrates' assumption that it is not a proper exercise of justice to make other people unjust, is also controversial.  In the former case, Irwin says that the first assumption "would be true if justice were necessary and sufficient for happiness; for in that case the only way to make people worse off would be to make them more unjust." (Irwin, p. 172).

Irwin presumably finds it controversial to suppose that justice is necessary and sufficient for happiness.  As such, I find difficulties here. First, I don't see how justice being necessary and sufficient for happiness would make it true that to harm others is to make them more unjust.  The only way to render this plausible is by accepting the implausible claim that those who are harmed, are rendered unhappy.  At the very least, Irwin should allow that such a claim is in need of clarification concerning the boundaries and scope of human happiness.  Do harms have to render me irretrievably unhappy? If so, it's not clear there has been a single harm in the history of humankind.  Similar remarks apply to Irwin's claim that justice being necessary and sufficient for happiness leaves the only way to make people worse off that of making them more unjust, i.e., unhappy.

This claim seems to require us to assume, again implausibly so, that the only way to harm someone, or make them worse off, is to make them unhappy.  Whether I am happy or not about my enemy killing my spouse, or burning down my house, the fact is that I have been harmed by such acts, rendered worse off as a result. The bottom line here however is that Irwin seems to me to have made a bad and unnecessarily sophisticated case for a correct claim, viz., that there are problems in Socrates' claim that harming others makes them more unjust.  As I noted above, the key difficulty with Socrates' assumption is the implausibility that someone can, by doing something to me (harm or otherwise), make me unjust.  This assumption is clearly incompatible with Socrates' belief (and common sense) that it is only one's deliberate actions that determine one's justness or not.  The claim is equally implausible as well for those who hold that some harms may very well be conducive to my justice, e.g., incarceration or other punishments for my wrongdoing.

As for Irwin's claim that there is something controversial about Socrates' assumption that it is not a proper exercise of justice to make other people unjust, his reasoning is as follows: ". . . [H]ow do we know that the just person will not make other people more unjust?  Socrates answers that the exercise of justice will always benefit others and make them more just; why should we believe that?" (Irwin, p. 172). It seems to me that Irwin has given Socrates too much credit. Socrates doesn't really argue for the claim that it cannot be the function of just people to make others more unjust (unless one thinks that reiterating a claim in different words constitutes an argument; more on this below).  Rather, he simply assumes it is true, regarding it as a truism.  So Irwin is giving Socrates too much credit here when he says that Socrates answers the question: "How do we know that the just person will not make other people more unjust?"

Socrates doesn't answer this epistemological question (again, unless one thinks repeating oneself in different words is answering; more on this below) because he doesn't think it needs an answer, anymore than the question, "How do we know poor people aren't rich?" needs an answer. We know that poor people aren't rich because if they were, they wouldn't be poor.  Similarly, we know that just people don't make others unjust because if they did they wouldn't be just. (The mental feat needed to appreciate this claim is identical to that needed to appreciate the following:  We know that knaves cannot be truth-tellers because if they were, they wouldn't be knaves). As such, Irwin's claim that Socrates' answers the first question above by claiming that the exercise of justice will always benefit others and make them more just, is off the mark, for Socrates never asks the question, "How do we know . . . ?" As Muddy Waters might say, you can't answer what you ain't never asked.

As suggested above, there is also a difficulty with "the answer" which Irwin puts in the mouth of Socrates,viz., it doesn't answer the question Irwin raises. Although it is true that Socrates uses the analogy of heat and dry to claim that it is the function of the good (just) to benefit people (make them just?), this can hardly be said to be a proper answer to the question: "How do we know that the just person will not make other people more unjust?"  For it is nothing more than the positive form of the very statement which led Irwin to ask the original: "How do we know . . .?" question. That is, anyone willing to ask how we know that just people do not make others unjust ought not be satisfied by being told that just people always benefit others and make them more just.  For this "answer" does nothing more than beg the original question.

So Irwin is certainly correct that Socrates' alleged "answer" permits one to ask the very same question as he asked about Socrates claim that just people will not make others unjust, viz., "How do we know . . . ?"  Irwin is correct about this because Socrates' alleged "answer" is nothing more than a restatement of Socrates' assumption that just people cannot make other people more unjust.  So anyone who has doubts about this assumption will, and ought, to have doubts about the claim that just people always make others more just.  Irwin's mistake then is to think that Socrates regards his assumption that just people don't make others unjust to be in need of support.  Socrates regards it as a truism, on a par with the claim that it is not the function of hot things to cool nor the function of dry things to make things wet.

But now for the $64 question: What about Irwin's worry?  That is, is Socrates right or justified in ignoring Irwin's question: "How do we know that just people will not make others unjust?" Or, to put it differently, is Socrates correct in thinking it a truism that just people don't make others unjust?  I think he is, for the claim strikes me as a truism as well.  Of course, it is always possible for someone to question the truth of what one regards as a truism. It is possible that someone asks: "How do we know that dryness does not make things wet?" But the question betrays a conceptual misunderstanding, in this case a failure to understand the concepts, dry and wet respectively.  Ditto, by my lights, for ‘just’ and unjust’.

More importantly, in order for the question to make sense, we must be able to make sense of the possibility of a dry thing making something wet.  I confess, a la Parmenides, to not being able to make sense of this.  Similarly, the sense of Irwin's question requires us to take seriously the possibility of a just person's just actions somehow making another person unjust.  I do not know what I would say to someone who took this possibility seriously.  But at the very least, we can dismiss Irwin's claim that there is something controversial about Socrates' assumption that it is not a proper exercise of justice to make other people unjust, until he can offer us a way of making sense of the possibility of just actions making others unjust.


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